Subject: Joist Dry Rot
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999
In the crawl space under my house we have had some moisture problems. All of the moisture problems have been fixed and I have had 4 different inspections since then. I was told in all of those inspections that there is some very minor dry rot damage on the joists but that it is not bad enough to replace or repair. I was also told that the industry standard on this is that if at least 75% of the joist is good that I am okay. I am trying to sell my house and the last inspection I had the guy told me I had to replace most of the joists. He said he found 1/8 to 1/4 inch of damage on the joists. My joists are 8 inches. So in the worst case they have 95% good wood on all of them. My first question is do you now of the industry standard of 75% good wood? If so is that in writing anywhere? At what point would you recommend fixing the joists and how would you fix them?
Thanks for your help.
Well, there are no "official" standards that I know of. They vary from state
to state and place to place. The 75% rule, however, is generally accepted and
certainly within the standards of home construction. You are just facing a
particularly cautious, or demanding inspector/buyer.
The underlying issue may be that they are concerned that the presence of
existing rot, no matter how slight, indicates the presence of rot fungi or
their reproductive spores in the wood, which it does. But it's also true that
rot fungi are present in/on/around almost all wood. If the proper
temperature/moisture conditions should recur then the rot in your joists would
I would suggest that your simplest and least expensive way of treating the
problem would be to apply CPES (Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer) to the joists,
particularly the areas where the wood is deteriorated. This will harden the
bad wood and greatly reduce the chances that rot will recur in the joists no
matter what the temperature/moisture conditions are in and around the wood.
Inspectors will also like the hard wood. You should probably go one step
further. After the CPES-treated wood has hardened, go back and spray the
joists with disodium octaborate tetrahydrate (sold as Tim-Bor or Penetreat).
This is a borate product that is generally known to reduce the chances of rot
infestation, although of itself it will not harden wood and it will leach out
under high moisture conditions. It's really a redundant treatment on top of
CPES, but still one that inspectors should know about and a treatment that
should make them happy.
We sell the CPES directly and ship daily via UPS GroundTrac. The Tim-Bor or
Penetreat is sold by specialized lumber and log home outlets. You should be
aware that the epoxy in CPES is carried into the wood by a powerful solvent
mix and care must be taken not to breathe the concentrated fumes for any
length of time. We use a mask with filters capable of filtering organic
solvents (about $25.00) when working in enclosed spaces.
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